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This starter has been aquired from an old timer in the sierra's of the foothills in california. We were lucky to get this one, and you will be also. It is very active and extra sour. A proven winner!!! OLD Bill said he has won many blue ribbons for this one, and he says it has been past down from generation to generation. Now maybe he was telling me a fib or two, but this starter is a gun slinger and makes lots of gas, which means big holes.